Bagel warning and other updates from the Guide to Chodosh

[Y. Herman]

*CHODOSH BULLETIN-28 DEC 08*

*From the Guide to Chodosh-Y. Herman*

*Chodosh telephone Hot Line 718-305-5133, email **yherman at earthlink.net* 
<mailto:yherman at earthlink.net>**

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*POSSIBLE PROBLEM WITH BAGELS*

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A kashrus oranization alerted us to a Chodosh problem they discovered 
with bagels that were meant to be Yoshon. Apparently a bakery was 
producing regular bagels from Yoshon flour and whole wheat bagels from 
Chodosh flour. However, bagels have to be cooked before baking. 
Apparently they used the same cooker to cook both the Yoshon bagels and 
the Chodosh bagels, sometimes even both kinds the same time! The 
proprietors meant well, they clearly identified the whole wheat bagels 
as Chodosh. However it took the mashgiach to realize that the use of the 
same cooker makes problems with the bagels meant to be Yoshon. 
Mashgichim and consumers who deal with bakeries making both Yoshon and 
Chodosh bagels must make sure that the same boiler is not used for both. 
(Here is one more example of how the most earnest and honest baal 
habatim (proprietors) can not provide the same level of supervision as a 
qualified mashgiach. This is why, over the last several years, the Guide 
has stopped listing products and facilities as being Yoshon, unless 
certified by an independent mashgiach.)

CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS TO THE SECOND ISSUE OF THE GUIDE

FOLLOWING AS OF DEC 28

*? Korn Bakery**, * 1378 Queen Anne Road. All products except 6-grain 
bread are Yoshon under the hashgocho of Rabbi Binyomin Taub of the 
Rabbinical Council of Bergen County (RCBC). (Warning: this hashgocho 
does not check the Yoshon status of malt which may be a problem after 
Oct 15.

*? Fiber1 *Crunchy snack bars have a date that is 248 days after 
packing. If they contain oats, they may be Chodosh starting with a code 
of March 31 09. If they contain wheat but not oats, then the Chodosh 
date would be Apr 6 09.

CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS TO THE SECOND ISSUE OF THE GUIDE

FOLLOWING AS OF DEC 21

*Weetabix* (this cereal is misspelled in the Guide as “Wheatabix”) the 
wheat in all cereals is winter wheat and is Yoshon. The malt in all 
organic cereals is Yoshon until pesach. For non-organic cereals, the 
malt may be Chodosh with a package code of Jan 15 09 (1 year after packing.)

*Columbia *egg noodles have a Chodosh code of Aug 15 09 (1 year after 
packing). The macaroni, spaghetti and other pasta have a code of Aug 15 
10 (2 years after packing.)

*Kemach* minestrone soup Chodosh code in 3170 (317=day of the year, 0=year+2). Vegetable soup code is 3030.

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THE FOLLOWING AS OF DEC 4 08.

*Brill’s Bakery* in Spring Valley, NY (This is misspelled in the Guide 
as “Brulles Bakery”) and *Taam Eden Bakery* in New Square. All baked 
items are Yoshon including whole wheat bread. The only exceptions are 
6-grain and 9-grain breads which may be Chodosh. Under the hashgocho of 
the Beis Din of New Square.

*Liebers.* As the Guide states, all cookies, crackers, snackers that are 
without oats are Yoshon. However, _whole-wheat_ snackers, pretzels and 
whole wheat crackers may be Chodosh starting a purchase date of Dec 1.

/?/* Garden of Eat-In*, 1416 Ave J. (718)252-5289. The following are 
Yoshon: zucchini muffins, breads, rolls (excluding hamburger rolls, and 
hamburger buns), blintzes, and bialys. /_Yoshon pasta available on 
requests_/_. _All products breaded in the store are also Yoshon. _The 
following are NOT Yoshon_: baguettes, English muffins, white bread, 
bagels, barley, most of the pastas, hamburger rolls and buns, and 
anything fried. Low-fat or fat-free muffins are probably NOT Yoshon 
please contact the Kehila Kashrus office at the telephone numbers 
718-951-0481 or 646-739-2465. Under the hashgocho of Kehila Kashrus of 
Brooklyn.

*? Ave P Appetizer*, 466 Ave P, Brooklyn, 646-302-6372. All products may 
not be Yoshon. For questions, contact Kehilah Kashrus at (718) 951-0481. 
. (Warning: this hashgocho does not check the Yoshon status of malt 
which may be a problem after Oct 15. For a discussion of malt, see 
Sections 3.1, 3.2 and 10.1.)

*Ungers* pizza crust (regular, not whole wheat) has the Chodosh code of 
Feb. 26 2009. The Strudel leaves have a Chodosh code of 08303 (08=year, 
303=day of year.) If there is no code printed on the package, then it is 
not recommended as Yoshon due to lack of information.

*Ostrovsky Heimishe Bakery*, 1201 Ave J, Brooklyn. All items Yoshon 
under the hashgocho of Rabbi Yechezkel Shraga Kahana of the CRC.

*Rabbinical Council of California (RCC)* the current policy is that all 
facilities certified by the RCC as being Yoshon also are checked to make 
sure that they use Yoshon malt, unless stated otherwise. Therefore, the 
following establishments in Section 13.3 of the Guide that are under RCC 
hashgocho should be changed from category ? to category ?: Classic 
Bakery, Schwartz Bakeries.

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